Banning the bag – a discussion with Greenpeace

I was contacted by Greenpeace earlier this week. I’d signed a petition to ban plastic bags, and I think they figured I might be willing to donate and support them financially.

I wasn’t willing to do that, as I focus my financial support in another direction (KidsCan NZ), but I did have an interesting discussion with the Greenpeace representative about plastic waste and the problems it presents for our environment.

The Greenpeace ‘ban the bag’ campaign. A great idea – plastic bags are a huge problem. But Greenpeace is offering no ideas of what to replace bags with!

‘Single use’ bags are really dual-purpose bags

The argument you’ll hear against banning bags in New Zealand is that people re-use them for their rubbish bins, and this is true. Again and again I hear, If we ban the bags, people will just have to buy them instead. ‘Glad’ and other plastic bag makers will be thrilled. Their profits will soar. And ordinary folk will have yet another item they have to buy which once was free.

There are a lot of poor people in this country. The last thing they need is to pay for rubbish bags. I’m a keen environmentalist but I also feel strongly for families struggling to make ends meet.

I asked the Greenpeace Rep on the other end of the phone what suggestions she had for people to use for their rubbish instead of the single use shopping bags. She had none. None at all!

In my view this is pretty pathetic – if you’re going to ask people to change, you MUST offer an option for them to change to. People do love the environment and want to help, but they hate feeling like it’s a choice between feeding their kids and being ‘green’.

It shouldn’t ever be a choice! We should all be able to support our planet and do the right thing – and we should all be able to save money in the process. Being green shouldn’t only be an option for rich people. It should be for everyone.

    ‘Being green shouldn’t just be an option for rich people. It should be achievable for everyone.’

I pointed out that we can’t just put our rubbish in the bin without bagging it. It’ll fly all over the street and make a mess. She agreed. We also can’t go ‘zero waste’ – we’re a family with four kids in a country town on a budget and the plain fact is, we use products that have packaging.

While it’s a good thing to lobby companies to use less packaging and to choose items with less packaging, change will take time in that direction and in the meanwhile, families will continue to produce plastic waste that needs bagging.

So yes, I support Greenpeace’s ban on single-use bags, but realistically I don’t think it will happen. If Greenpeace is not offering any alternative solutions, the problem of plastic bags won’t be solved by their ban even if it works – it’ll just be transferred. Instead of free plastic bag waste we’ll have bought plastic bag waste instead. We might have fewer, but the problem will remain.

I don’t have answers beyond what we already do. We have chickens to use our food waste – and they do this brilliantly. We compost everything the chooks won’t eat. We recycle everything we can. We buy bulk when we can to cut packaging further. We burn most of our cardboard and paper waste in the fireplace for extra heat in winter. So most of the unsorted waste that goes to landfill is plastic.

We have chickens which take care of almost all of our food waste. We compost the rest of our rubbish, recycle or burn it, so virtually the only rubbish going to landfill these days is plastic.

It’s clear to me that society is improving. We’re getting better. But we have a long way to go. And one thing is clear – you can’t successfully ban plastic bags without having a genuine alternative for all people, wealthy and poor, to switch to.

8 thoughts on “Banning the bag – a discussion with Greenpeace

  1. What kind of bins do you have for waste? I mean, here in the UK we have a wheelie bin which is big but can be pushed to the front of the house on refuge collection day. We therefore don’t need bags to stop rubbish blowing around/away. Obviously, that’s a solution which government would need to provide, unless people were expected to buy their own bin.


  2. I agree, plastic bags are killing our oceans and marine life, but we do need alternatives. I hate to use them, but I do. I multi-use them until they cannot be used anymore. Besides bagging trash and ferret poop, we use them as “lunch bags” so to speak. Anything I can transport in them I will until they’re torn. If I get them, I use them. Nothing goes to waste.


  3. Your point about people using plastic bags for multiple purposes is good and it is reasonable to not pay money to buy bags that contain more plastic and put them into a cloth recyclable bag to bring it home. Even in the cases where people reuse bags, the number of bags used and discarded can be excessive. The other day I was at a store and bought a cookie. The cookie was put into a waxed paper bag and the cashier offered to put that into a plastic bag which I declined because I was going to eat that cookie as soon as I exited the shop.

    Things like that happen all the time. The next time you exit any coffee shop, gas station, or convenience store glance at the trash can and you will see dozens of bags that had a useful life of 5 seconds.

    My suggestion: Use plastic bags. They are free. Store all your extra bags in a bag. Keep bringing them into stores and reuse them until they fall apart or until you use them for trash bins at home or some other terminal use and then accept new bags.


  4. Hi, my name is Camilla and I’m part of the ocean plastic’s team at Greenpeace New Zealand. It’s great to hear that you do your best to live a sustainable lifestyle – I know it’s not always easy! It’s important to discuss the practicalities of not using single-use plastics, so thank you for raising these questions in your blog.

    Whilst we can all do our bit to cut plastic waste, the reality is that the plastic problem cannot be solved by individuals alone. To tackle the problem, we need to tackle the root cause. We want the Government and big retailers to drastically reduce the amount of single-use plastics used, and provide better alternatives. As a first step, we are calling on the Government to ban single-use plastic bags.

    Plastic waste in our oceans is a global problem. Several countries around the world have successfully banned single-use plastic bags, and it’s time for New Zealand to do the same. Thank you for showing your support by adding your name to this petition.

    Whilst we continue to campaign for big changes at the top, we have also made this video that will hopefully provide you with a few cost-free alternatives for bin liners:

    If you have any further questions, please feel free to call our team on 0800 22 33 44.

    Many thanks,

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  5. I can’t decide what the best option about plastic bags is…yes we shouldn’t stay as we are, but I feel that just banning single use bags isn’t the answer, because if what is left are thicker plastic bags, well, they’ll just end up in the ocean and take even longer to decay. Why can’t we have biodegradable bags instead? Isn’t that a better choice? Auckland Council are rolling out using bin tags instead of bin bags which is hopefully a step in the right direction but you still surely need to put your rubbish in something in the bin else it will stink. Time will tell.

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  6. Since I wrote this post, I’ve had a lot more time to think. I believe that Greenpeace are right to ban the bag. Rather that reiterate everything here, I’ll write a post about plastic bags, Part The Second 😉
    Thanks again for your comment 🙂

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  7. The trash bin liner argument doesn’t hold any water. Using them to line bins is a secondary usage created to get rid of the bags. People will get on just as well after plastic bags as they did before. Besides, what is the statistic–they last for 1000 years right? So you’re reusing them for maybe a week, what are you going to do for the other 999 years, 11 months, 3 weeks it takes that one bag to degrade?

    There are plenty of other free options to line your bins–newspaper, old packaging, or just don’t line them. I have been trying to go plastic free for a while now (it’s hard!) and you’d be amazed how much packaging you still accumulate that will fit a bin. It shouldn’t have to cost extra to save the environment, although if you’re in the market for plastic bin liner alternatives, there are some made out of bamboo fibers that you can buy online.


  8. I agree. There needs to be a solution or at least an option raised when you discuss a problem. I admit, I do reuse my plastic bags for trash such as used kitty litter, picking up after my dogs in the yard. But my roommate and I also try to minimize the amount of trash we put out, and while we know recycling is not the complete answer, we try to recycle as much as we can, right down to the toilet paper rolls. And we compost our kitchen scraps as much as possible with the goal of creating a garden next spring and summer. Some weeks we don’t have to put out the trash at the corner and that’s an amazing feeling.


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